Matt Slick Live

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If you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. For this week, I will be live tomorrow, Wednesday, and then we're off until next Wednesday. I'll be taking off Thursday, Friday, and then Monday, Tuesday. There you go. I hope you all have a great Christmas. By the way, we're having a matching funds drive for the month of December. If you want to support us, if you want to help, all you've got to do, it's easy.

All you've got to do is go to CARM.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. You could do that. Now, wait a minute. Did we have Laura in? Did Laura, I suppose, have Laura call?

Remember? Charlie, did she call in? No, she didn't call in. Because what I've been doing this week, in the past few days, is having people who support us at CARM. You know, I mean like helpers, you know, like Charlie, he does stuff. Ernie called in, he does stuff. And Laura, I wanted Laura to call in, so maybe she can call in if she wants.

And let me just put Bentley down. She's babysitting. And then we can talk to her about what she does for the first part of the segment.

Because, hey, why not? Let people know who we've got helping us. In fact, we have Joanne, too. And Joanne should call in. Because Joanne, she has an accent. She has quite the accent. She thinks we have accents, but she has quite the accent, and she's a sweetie, and she runs the prayer chain. The prayer thing would be really great if she could do that. All right, and I've been challenged to a debate on the Trinity.

Let's see, the third Wednesday of February. And that's doable. And so, I'll get more details on that. And then there's Renzo. Hey, Renzo.

Wait, did I get that right? Yeah, Renzo. There he is.

He's in Japan, so we get some callers from everybody at every place. All right, there you go. Hey, I'm just rambling. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

All right, so I'll tell you what I'll do just to do it. I'm going to do some real questions, radio comments. If you do have radio questions, radio comments you want to get in, all you've got to do is email me at info at karm.org. And just put in a radio question or radio comment, and we can get to them. Because it gets slow at this time of the year.

It just does, particularly this last week before Christmas. All right, so let's hear it. Here's an interesting one. Do you believe the stigmata were real and from God? Isn't it curious this phenomena didn't arrive until St. Francis and has no biblical origin that I can find? I'd be interested in your opinion.

Thank you, Valerie. The stigmata, I started their history to see when they came out, but that's an interesting idea. But what I find interesting is that crucifixion, when they did that, they didn't do it in the palms. They didn't put nails in the palms. That's not in the palms. They put them in the wrist. Because the palms would just rip out and the person wouldn't stay up there. So between the two bones in the wrist, just down towards the wrist, past the wrist towards the elbow, there's that little gap in there. They drove a nail in there. And so what I find interesting is that the stigmata have the holes in the palms, which isn't how it was done.

So that tells me it's fake. Plus, what the heck is going on with that? I mean, come on. You go around and you get these bloody things in the palms. What good is it?

What's it for? It doesn't help. So I think they're fake. But I mean they could be real, but they're not really of God. They're just psychosomatic manifestations and or demonic something because they don't manifest what they're supposed to manifest.

And even if they did in the wrist, what does it mean? It sounds to me spurious. So there you go. All right. Let's try this interesting person right here on the air, Joanne.

How are you? First of all, these don't tell stories. Why? That you have a really heavy accent? Because you do. I don't have an accent. OK. OK, great. You don't have an accent.

All right. We all appreciate your accent. So, OK, this is Joanne and she helps us out at CARM.

And I just want you to call in and maybe Laura will do it, too. And I want you to tell me what are the things you do? Just introduce people to yourself.

You talk to people and let's see what you do. So what do you do at CARM? I lead the prayer team, which is such an honor. We welcome prayers requests to prayer at CARM dot org.

Everything is kept confidential. We have 18 prayer warriors on our team. And I think they're the best prayer warriors around. I think it's a wonderful team. They're good people.

That's right. And you do a good job of it. It's hard talking.

It's hard talking? I'm in clubhouse and I'm hearing an echo. Oh, OK. I get you. Well, what you can do is turn clubhouse down, turn your volume down on. Or is it on your phone?

You're doing good. It's on my phone. Oh, that's why. So I'll just tell people what clubhouse is. It's a social media platform. And you open the room and each time at the radio show and then you get broadcast into the radio show. We've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine people in. It's a small crowd, but that's OK. And they listen to the show and you run that, too.

Right. And I'd like to thank the ones that are so faithful to come into clubhouse. You know, I've been blessed. I'll never meet most of the people until we get to heaven. But I've been so blessed by making friendships through clubhouse, of course, through Facebook before clubhouse ever was. And I love all of our volunteers.

I love our missionary. And I guess that's about it. Do you think of anything else? No, that's it.

That's it. You're great. And we're going to start calling you, Joanne.

No, no accent prayer warrior or something. But you do a good job. You do a good job there running stuff. So we just, you know, we appreciate you. And I wanted people to hear your voice. And it's just one of the ways to make it real.

Make it known, you know, on clubhouse, you know, on the radio and stuff like that. Well, it's really a privilege to be able to serve the Lord through calm. And I've met, as I said, wonderful, wonderful friends that I look forward to worshiping our Lord with in heaven.

Yeah. And it has been a neat thing because we have friends in rumble as well. And people who have gathered in different venues. And it's really nice. It's great to see them.

The two main venues that we have them in is rumble and clubhouse. So, you know, praise God. Okay. Okay. Well, thanks a lot, Joanne. All right.

Tell your hubby you said hi. All right. God bless. I will.

Okay. Yeah, that's Joanne. She's a sweetie. She really is. She's good.

And she's fun too. Hey, let's get to Catherine from British Columbia, Canada. Welcome. You are on the air. Hi, Matt. Thanks for having me. I have a question. I looked on your website and I looked at all the different views for rapture and tribulation.

And I just wondered what your personal view is. I've studied it. I studied revelation like just constantly. I studied it for about 14 hours a day for a few weeks period. And I came to the conclusion that it was that I believed in post-trib because of revelation.

I think it's 10-7 and 15-51. But, you know, then I get swayed from that too. Like it just seems to be so hard to pin it down. And I just wonder what your personal belief is and why. I'm also post-trib.

I believe we're going to go through it. And one of the main reasons is I don't find any pre-trib verses anyplace. I mean, I ask people, show me a pre-trib verse. And when you look at it in context, it doesn't support it.

It's just not there. And when you go to Matthew 24, it talks about the tribulation. And it talks about after the great tribulation is when Jesus comes back and gathers people.

And it says it in Matthew 24, 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened. The moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from the sky. The power of the heavens will be shaken.

That's the great tribulation period. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They'll see the Son of Man coming in the clouds. He'll send forth his angels and the great trumpet.

And he'll gather together his elect from the four winds from one day, from one end of the sky to the other. So if you cross-reference that with 1 Thessalonians 4, where it says, The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel. The dead in Christ shall rise first. That is the resurrection. And there's only one resurrection like that. Now, some pre-tribbers say, well, they have two returns of Christ, or kind of one and a half, where he returns in the clouds and goes back up into heaven and gets people. That's not in the Bible at all. So when you understand there's only one return, the return of Christ, and that in 1 Thessalonians 4, where the return of Christ is with the angel and the trumpets and things like that, and that's what it says here in Matthew 24. But it says there, after the tribulation, that's when it occurs.

So it's after the tribulation. Simple. Okay. Okay, that's good. You know where it says about they will be giving in marriage, they'll be marrying and giving in marriage.

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's not the Rapture. Do you think there's any connection with that to the fact that one wonders today if marriage will survive because of all the woke stuff?

Well, the context, it could be. In the context, it's out of Genesis 6, when the days of Noah and when the Nephilim were there, and there was a great sexual perversion going on in the landscape, where the fallen angels had relations with women and produced offspring, which is why it says in Genesis 6, 9 that Noah was pure in all his generations, all his ancestry. And then if you go to Daniel 2, 43, it says, because that's a prophecy of dealing with times, large prophecy times, from Nebuchadnezzar's statue. And the final time, which is the feet made of clay and iron, it says in verse 43 of chapter 2 of Daniel that they will combine with one another in the seed of men. And the they can't be people because they are combining with one another in the seed of men, so they're separate. And so if you look at Matthew 24 and Luke 17, as it was in the days of Noah's social, the days of the coming of the Son of Man, they were eating, they were drinking, they were living in the mirror until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

That's Luke 17. Two men will be in the field, one will be taken, one is left. So the wicked are the ones who are taken in that context, and where are they taken? They're taken to a place of destruction. And Jesus says, that's how it's going to be when he comes back.

It's going to be that bad. And there's the music. Do you want to hold? Do you want to talk a little bit more?

No, it's okay. I'll just, okay, I'll hold. Sure. Okay, all right, hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. And let's get back on here with Catherine. Catherine, are you still there?

Yeah, I'm still here. All right. Well, so there you go. Yeah, I go to a church that they believe in pre-trib. It's the Calvary Chapel, and I love it. It's the best church ever, you know. That's where I would normally go to, Calvary Chapel.

I'm quite content with this. Pardon? Yeah, I went to Calvary Chapel too for years. In fact, Chuck Smith, the founder of Calvary Chapel, baptized my wife and I. Wow, wow, that's amazing. Yeah, we watched that movie too.

Yep, in fact. It's a great church. I was going to say that code, that's where we got baptized. That's where we got baptized, right there on that site. But anyway, yeah, go ahead.

Sorry. On the water, yeah, yeah. So it's a great church.

I love how they go through the scriptures and everything. But I know that, I mean, we can coexist that we have different beliefs, right? Of course.

I post through, and sometimes I get swayed to other points of view too. Like, I'm not, I don't know, it's not a salvation issue, right? Right.

If you believe in pre or mid or post, it doesn't matter. Yeah. But as long as you believe what you believe biblically. Yeah, I used to, my wife and I would normally attend Calvary Chapel here in Idaho, but her health is, you know, she can't go anymore, really. So, they just changed some of their stuff.

But at any rate, yeah, it's fine. And I've preached in different Calvary Chapels too. So, you know, I'm post-trib, and I'm Amillennial too, which is unusual. Well, can you explain that? Amillennial? Yeah, Amillennialism is the position that, it's the position that the thousand-year reign is a figurative number. In Revelation 20, it says the angel, which is literal, descended from heaven, which is literal, with a chain, which is figurative, in his hand and a key, which is figurative, and laid hold of the dragon, which is figurative, who is the devil, which is literal, and bounded for a thousand years.

So, which is it? Is it literal or figurative? Well, people just assume it's a literal thousand years, but nothing in the Bible necessitates it's a literal thousand years. And furthermore, the term thousand is used in figurative context. God owns a cattle on a thousand hills, and it days but a thousand years. It's figurative usage.

Bind him for a thousand years. It's like us saying a kabillion. It's just an undefined thing. Now, it's an actual number, but that's how they kind of spoke, and they use it that way. So, when people say that the thousand years has to be a literal thousand, maybe it is, but you can't prove it from the context.

It just doesn't work. And so people don't realize that. Furthermore, Satan was bound by Jesus in Matthew 12, 22 through 32. Because he's casting out demons. He says the strong man must first be bound before he can do that. And then in Revelation 20, it says Satan's bound not to deceive the nations any longer.

So, then he's let loose, and then he does. So, some amillennialists hold to the idea that Satan was let loose, you know, a hundred, two hundred years ago, whatever, because of the world wars. And now things are getting really bad. So, the nations are being deceived. And it makes sense. And then, plus, Jesus says he will take out of his kingdom the wicked. And that's Matthew 13. So, and there's only one return of Christ.

And I can get into this. I've debated this many times, and I have a very good, strong, I have a very strong, good argument for amillennialism. And every time I've taught it in rooms, you know, with a chalkboard and stuff like that, just go through and just show what the scriptures teach. And every single time, without exception, everybody has said, I've made a very strong case, and they could not refute it. Not that they all believed it, but they couldn't refute it. And, you know, plus, you know, it's the first time you've got to look at it. You've got to see things and then come back and tell me why it's wrong.

But it hadn't happened. So, you know, there you go. I hope I'm wrong, though. I hope I'm wrong. Really? Oh, absolutely. Why? I don't want to be right.

I want to teach what's called depressed catology. It's going to get bad. Oh, yeah. Oh, dear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, in fact, I have an article. Let's see, Signs of the End Times. And I went through and I looked.

Come on, get in there. There we go. What are some of the signs of the end times? So I wrote this article in 2017 and I have all the verses and everything. And I have a summation.

Now, check this out. This is what the Bible says is going to occur right at that time of the return of Christ. The presence of false Christs and false prophets, war, persecution of the faithful, apostasy, lawlessness will increase and love growth called, earthquakes, famine and plagues, increase in selfishness, lovers of self, money and pleasure, arrogant, boastful, ungrateful and unholy. They'll be haters of good, conceited, appearing godly but are not, the mocking of Jesus, the increase of knowledge, the rise of spiritism, the decay of marriage, the rise, the rise of, it's going to be the increase of false teachings. The Gospel will be preached to the whole world, signs in the heaven. So there's 13 things that I've listed in my group of the bad stuff that's going to come.

So, the false Christs, false prophets, war, persecution, apostasy, lawlessness, earthquakes, famine, plague, increase in selfishness, lovers of pleasure, arrogant, disobedient, the mocking of Christ, increase of knowledge, spiritism will be on the rise, marriage will be under attack and the rise of false teachings. Okay? Yep, it's all there. Yep, we're there, pretty much.

Yeah, so that's, I call it depressed catology. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's where I hope I'm wrong. Well, I mean, that's happening now. Right? I mean, it started.

No. Right? Well, you were all that list of things. Like, I can identify that in the world now, all those things. Like, we just don't know the severity of it, though. Like, when Christ will return, how bad it's going to get.

Yeah, it's good. I'm in a lot of social media rooms, and last night I was in one discussing abortion. And the ungodliness, the hatred, the illogic, the blindness is incredible.

Incredible. The hypocrisy, the hatred. So, I would use logic with them, and they would accuse me of illogic. I mean, they could not see.

It's a spiritual blindness. You know, and I'd ask, for example, when the egg and the sperm come together and it's alive, would you agree that the egg there is alive? And some of them said, no. I mean, it's just, what? So it's not alive?

And some go, well, yeah, it is. Well, what is it? Well, it's not human. Okay, then what is it? Well, we don't know. Well, then when does it become human? We don't know. It's just insanity.

Well, it's, yeah, I mean, it is, it's not logical at all, and they don't even see it. During the sermon that was preached last Sunday, actually, which is kind of cool, because you talked about 1 John yesterday, and he was talking about John chapter 1, and that part about in the beginning was the Word. And he said, and he compared it to Let There Be Light, you know, in Genesis 1. And he said that when a baby is conceived, the moment the sperm enters the egg, there's a flash of light. It was so cool. And he said he could actually go onto YouTube.

So I did. I went onto YouTube, and I found that there was actually pictures of this. Like, they filmed it where the sperm enters the egg, and there's a flash of light that just encompasses the entire ovum, and, you know, just suddenly. And what it is, it's zinc.

And that shuts out all of the sperm, the flash of light, which is the zinc enveloping the egg. And it's so cool to see it. It is. Yeah, I forgot about that. And that's when life begins.

No, that's when life continues, because the egg and the sperm are both alive, and then it continues. That's true. That's right.

That's true. Hey, there's the break. You've got to go. Yeah. That's what we would say to you.

Yes. All right. Well, thanks, Catherine.

God bless. We'll be back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Let's get to Matt from Colorado. Matt, welcome. You're on the air. Hello.

Thank you. I had a quick question for you. This has always confused me for a bit. Is the fact that we have all these religions out there, and they'll have these, like Christianity has the Bible, Scientology has the Church of Scientology book, there's the Quorum, there's the Torah. Why is it that some people should believe in one and not the other? They should believe in one and not the other. They should believe in the truth.

That's the issue. And which one is the truth? And it's easy to discern. And the truth is simply found in the person of Jesus who fulfilled prophecies, who died on the cross after three days. Three days rose from the dead, retaining the crucifixion marks upon his body. So, that sets him apart from every other religion. And he said, he's the way, the truth, the life, and nobody comes to the Father but by me. All people should believe in what Christ did and who he said he was.

Okay? Yeah, but the Qur'an and the Torah, they speak of it differently. Well, the Qur'an in Surah 4171 says Jesus was not crucified, but it was made to appear to be. So, Allah is the one who deceived people in the Qur'an by making someone look like Jesus who was then crucified, to become Christians, and then he condemns Christianity. That's the Qur'an. In Surah 482, it says that if there's any discrepancy in the Qur'an, it's not from God.

Furthermore, in Surah 86, 5 through 7, it says a man's seat is formed in his chest. So, the Qur'an is simply false. In the Torah, they have a Trinitarian basis for God. And there were observant Jews who affirmed a Trinitarian idea of God because of the Old Testament. But many of the Jews became Christians at the time of Christ.

And those who were left rejected the Messiah, the Messiah that fulfills their scriptures. So, that's that, okay? But, you just said the Qur'an is false.

Yes, it is. There is a whole society of people who believe the Qur'an is not false. So, who cares? The Qur'an is false.

So, yes, but you said the Qur'an is false, but there's a huge population of people that believe it is. Okay, I just answered that. That's my question.

I said, so what? Who cares? The Qur'an says... Well, all the people who believe in the Qur'an care. No, they don't. They don't care. I've talked to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Muslims, okay?

No, they don't believe. Look, in Surah 482, I'll show them in their own Qur'an, where it says if there's any discrepancy in the Qur'an, it's not from Allah. Any discrepancy, it's not from Allah. Any discrepancy, the Qur'an says, if there's any discrepancy in the Qur'an, it's not from Allah. The Qur'an says, alright? In Surah 86, 5 through 7, it says, let man but sing from what he has created. He's created from a drop, emitted, proceeding from between the backbone and the rips.

Between the backbone and the rips is... That doesn't matter. Babies people believe in it. They believe in it. You're not hearing me. Millions of people believe in it. Matt, you're not listening.

I get that. No, you're not listening. They believe in it. You're not listening.

A million people believe in the Qur'an exactly word for word. Dude. Dude, I've already said, yes, that's the case.

And I'm just not arguing with you, I'm just saying. Excuse me. Excuse me, hold on. That is the logic. Hold on, dude.

Hold on. They're believing it has no bearing on whether it is true or not. The same with the Bible. No, look, we're talking about the Qur'an.

The same with the supreme personality of God. Hey, excuse me. Look, if you don't stop interrupting me, I'm going to kick you out.

Stop interrupting me. That's okay. Okay, goodbye. That's okay. All right. If you say it's okay for me to kick you out, I will. I don't have any problem with that. What I want is a discussion not being stepped on constantly on my show to be able to answer this guy's objections.

So, if you're not going to have a conversation where we can talk back and forth and all you can do is interrupt constantly, and you say, okay, kick it. Okay, then fine. You're gone.

No skin off my teeth. Let's go ahead. Laura. Hey, Laura.

Welcome. Hello. Okay.

Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Yes, I can. All right. So, everybody, this is Laura, and Laura is the rookie with CARM for, what, three, four years now? Three or four years. Yeah. Three, four years.

Yeah, that sounds about right. It's hard to remember. It seems like forever, Matt. Well, it seems like forever. I guess it's because the work is so tough. It's still laborious. It just seems like I've always been there. It's because I'm serving the Lord, so that's why.

I know. But I like to teach it. So, what is it you do with CARM and for CARM? Mostly what I do is for all the articles that you write on the CARM.org website, I go and do the SEO on it, which means search engine optimization, so all you guys can search and find the appropriate articles in all the browsers. I also go through and check, Matt, your articles and make sure that spelling is okay and catch those things that you can't catch when you do it yourself.

And let's see, I also help maintain the schools, your schools, which everybody out there, if you haven't took advantage of these schools, they are really great. There's three of them. There's an apologetics, there's a logic, and then there is, oh my gosh, my brain just shut down. Theology.

Theology. Yes, thank you. That's right. And then I also help with social media. I do post articles in certain social medias and I also help during the radio show to monitor the chats and put the articles up on the screen so that you guys can see that stuff and then go and search for them.

That's right. And you like it? I do. I do. I really do.

I love working for Carmen. Started out transferring all the articles to the new website and I think that was the most tedious out of everything. Oh, man. We had to do like 6,000 articles. It was just ridiculous. It took us what, two months, I think it was, to convert them all in? Oh, it was hard and changing, seeing some things were missing and the misspellings and making them look like how we want them to look on the new website. So, yeah, it was a little bit of a challenge. But it was good. It was just monotonous, mostly. Yeah, it was. You know, what I found interesting in it, when I would write, everything I write was perfect until I'd read it later.

Like, what was this? You know, it's like you said, you can't read and edit your own stuff. You've got to have somebody else do it.

So I've got to kick out of it. And thankfully we have Grammarly, so that helps a lot, too. Yes, it does. Well, you do a lot of good work. You know, it's really nice because I can put up the articles and I'll get it to be SEO sufficient and I'll just go and work on the next project and you'll kind of go in and polish things up. So that's really nice. When you take care of the school's issues, that's really nice.

So it's a big help. All these people who do different things that really fill in the gaps, and I really appreciate that. You know, I do.

Yeah. I mean, you know, when you do, you need a team and because there's just too much to do. I mean, even with the social media, we had to separate, you know, and have a lot more people doing it so that it goes smooth.

Yeah, it does. So we have a lot of people helping and, you know, it's good. It's good to have them help and have you guys help and I really do appreciate you guys because you take a lot of load off my plate, which, you know, I've got so many things to do and I just want to focus on research writing and doing radio and debating and things like that and you guys really help that a lot. You know, that reminds me, I texted my wife, you know, I hinted, I want her to call up and introduce herself and tell us what she does for Carm, because I can tell you what she does, but I want her to do it, but she probably won't do it.

Yes, you made me do it, so now we need to get Neek in there doing it. Well, you got to text her, call her, say, you got to get on the radio, just say what you do on the radio. She probably says something like, put up with you, you know, there you go, all right, see, everyone's got a special ability. I've also been blessed enough to have you come preach at our church like three times now, so that has been great as well. You guys are great, it's a nice church, and Rudy's a great guy, you guys are, it really is a nice church. If I was in the area, that's where I'd be going. You know, I just... You move, you just need to move. You just need to move seven hours south and see if my wife will agree, you know, hey hon, you have an idea.

I get one of those thousand yard stairs, you know, okay, never mind, I'm just, what is that behind you, then walk away, you know. Well, I will let you go and hit some other callers, and I had a little break with Bentley, but I call in. All right, well, thanks a lot, we really appreciate it, okay, thanks, Laura, God bless.

All right, well, that was Laura, and we've had a lot of good people helping us, and she's one of them. Now, we've got Pearl, who's waiting, but because we've got a break here any second, we'll just wait until we get on the air after the break to let you guys know that we stay on the air by your support. Please consider supporting us. Just go to karm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G forward slash donate.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, hey, welcome back to the show. Before we get on with Pearl, just want to let you guys know that we stay on the air by your support, and we are going to stay on, excuse me, oh, boy, okay, so if you want to support us, we have a double funds drive, a matching funds drive, so whatever you would support us with will be doubled.

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You mentioned with one of your other listeners about the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, and you are probably too young, or maybe you have heard of Dr. M.R. DeHaan, sir, had you ever heard of him? You heard of him? Oh, yeah.

Okay. He has a book, I must have had it 20 years. It was published in 1943, but in there, I thought it was so interesting that he taught.

God called him from being a doctor to being a minister. Have you ever read the book? No, I haven't. Nope.

All right. I just wanted to tell you what he said. He said that when the man fertilizes, he of course started out with how God the Holy Spirit placed the little embryo of the Lord Jesus Christ in the womb of the Virgin Mary, that it did not begin to live until the blood, the mechanism, I'm trying to get this right, the mechanism that produces the blood caused the embryo to live. That would be logically problematic. Yeah.

It would be logically problematic. Well, anyway, he said that- He said that humanly speaking, we have blood, of course, because God says in Leviticus 16-1711, the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls. It is the blood that maketh an atonement for your souls.

That's right. And that was why the Lord Jesus Christ told Nathaniel, I believe it was, that we must be born again, because we are born � now, I'm just saying what I read. We are born first because we are born with blood poisoning. We have to have that blood, the human blood, to live, and then to be born again, we have to have the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ to be born again. And what he was saying- No, it's not true.

Well, hold on. Pearl, it's not logically necessary that human blood must be there in order for human life to be there, because the human life is in the womb at conception, and there's not any blood there. Furthermore- No, but the embryo, so Dr. DeHaan says, God gave it the mechanism to produce its own blood. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, and it does it upon development. Right. But the nature- It produces its own blood. So therefore, we have to be born again by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. And I think it's just a sad scenario that our ministers don't teach this, that the blood that was in the embryo of the divine Son of God came from God Almighty, and of course, he was and is God. I know that.

But I just think that it's so sad that that's not taught in our pulpit, that the blood- Hold on. Hold on. Hold on a sec. The embryo, before it can be alive. Pearl.

Pearl. Okay. I think you need to read that article a little bit more thoroughly, because the issue of the blood is related to being born again. There's a lot of category errors there, but I mean, I'm not going to say too much, but the blood doesn't start in the new life there for quite a while. But the human life is there before that blood is there. And the blood didn't come from God, because God doesn't have blood, it came from the biological structure of developing, because Jesus has two natures in the one person, the divine nature and the human nature. They are distinct, but they are manifested as one person in the hypostatic union, and it's called the communication of the properties.

And this is always extant at the point of the inception. It's quite beautiful to know that God was so careful about His life. The blood is God's life, and He was so careful that He put His blood into His Son before He was born, so that He could shed God's blood so that we might be saved and born again. Yes, the blood of God, in the sense that the attributes of the human nature and qualities of the divine are ascribed to the one person of Jesus, He died on the cross. And therefore, we'd call it the divine sacrifice, that the sacrifice of Jesus is the divine value because of His dual nature, God and man. Well, do you not think that the human blood that we have is different from what we are born again by?

I'm not sure what you mean. God's blood. You mean the blood of the person of Christ?

Yes. I can't, I would think it has the same hemoglobin, iron necessities, because He's really human, and He really was a man. But He was spiritual too, honey.

No, hold on. The spiritual doesn't occur until after the resurrection. That's 1 Corinthians 15, 35-45, and He's called spiritual in that sense. But when He walked on the earth, He was fully, completely a human being, a man. Of course He was, and God.

I believe the Lord Jesus Christ is God, yes. But as far as the human aspect goes, He had normal blood, otherwise He wouldn't be human. Well, this man was a doctor, and he had delivered many babies, and he said that God put the mechanism in the little embryo to produce his own blood, and I'm speaking humanly speaking. Yes.

Yes. Because he was very careful so that that blood would come from, it produced its own blood, and therefore the blood that the Lord Jesus Christ poured out of Calvary was God's blood. The blood does not produce its own blood.

It doesn't. The bone marrow produces it. God produces it. God put the mechanism in that little baby to produce its own blood.

Yes. God. So that when your children were born and mine were born, I always thought it came from the Father, the blood.

But it did not. God put the mechanism in that little embryo to produce its own blood. Yes, it's called a human body. It produces blood.

That's right. God designed it. The Lord Jesus Christ, when God, the Holy Spirit, put that little embryo in Mary's womb, when the blood began to flow in that embryo, it was the blood of God Almighty. We'll just let that go for a minute. There's so many technicalities.

More technical. But, yeah, Jesus is God in flesh, he still is God in flesh, and he forever will be. And the blood of God, the person of Christ, was shed in the cross and cleansed his first sins. Leviticus 17, 11, which is what you quoted earlier. Yes.

Okay. Blood of Christ. I do think it's so absolutely beautiful that God put within the embryo of these human beings that he made the ability to produce his own blood. That's what he did. That's what Dr. John says that he did. Yeah. The human body does that.

He designed it. It can't happen by chance. Not through evolutionary processes. What I mean is most people think when the sperm fertilizes the egg, that is the life. The life is in the blood.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Leviticus 17, 11 is not about an ontological nature of the human soul. It's about the issue of sacrifice in the book of Leviticus, which is the book of sacrifice and blood, and priestly ceremonies. So its context is that.

Okay. So the life exists before the blood is formed. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the embryo of him, the human side of him did not begin to live until that mechanism in that little sperm and egg produced its own blood. No, that's not true.

Pearl, I'm sorry. I love you, but that's not true. The union of the human and divine natures began at conception. The manifestation of the physical just continued on and blood became a byproduct later on. The hypostatic union tells us that in the one person of Christ are two distinct natures.

And so Christ in the intermediate state when he died was separated from his body, was still in the union of the divine and the human nature to one person of Christ, though outside of his body. So that's the correct teaching. Okay. I had to make sure people know what the correct teaching is. Okay.

All right. I would love for you to read the account. The article in front of me right there. Oh, the book, the chemistry of the blood. Yeah, I won't read the book.

I got way too much to do. And no, people say they'll send me a book in the mail and say, hey, can you review this book? You know, 300 pages. Like, oh yeah, I'll just stop reading and doing everything for a week.

Oh no, I wouldn't want you to do that. I would love for you to read the article just on the blood. That's not all he covers. But I believe it. I believe that that blood that was produced in that embryo of the human Lord Jesus Christ was the mechanism of God the Father, whom we know, you and I know, are one.

Well, yes, the mechanism is his one. Look, I'm with you and we've got to go because the music's going to be starting and he's giving outro really fast, but call back tomorrow and we'll be on the air, okay, Pearl? I've always appreciated when you call. All right. Well, I don't mean to be ugly and I love you much because you're my brother. That's right.

That's right. We only appreciate you, Pearl. And I love to stop people on the street and give them this testimony and tell them if they're purple, green, or whatever color they are, that I love them because they're my brother.

My blood, they're my brother in the flesh and by the new birth, they're my brother in the flesh. We've got to go. Thanks, Pearl. Thanks for calling. Hey, folks, just to let you know, we'll be on the air tomorrow and may the Lord bless you. And if you want to support us, please, karm.org forward slash donate, but save your comments and your questions for tomorrow. And we'll be off on Thursday, Friday, the rest of the week. So Lord willing, we'll talk to you tomorrow, God bless, see you, bye. God bless.