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Welcome. You are on the air. Hey man, how are you doing?

Doing all right, Matt. What do you got, man? King Saul, the Bible says that the Lord departed from him and he and the Lord sent, well, it says that God sent an evil spirit of the Lord. What actually was that for? For that, but was it was convinced to reach to his heart was there getting back in line or all the evil spirits sent and evil spirit to King Saul to punish him for one thing. Hopefully it brings the discipline of God by allowing an evil spirit to do what an evil spirit will do and bring him to a place of repentance. God allows us to have what we desire.

That's the thing. He allows us to have what we desire and what we desire often is our, is what brings us punishment. And so Saul had rebelled against God and the spirit of God was gone and God says, okay, he sent an evil spirit. You know, it's like saying to the spirit, go do it, go do what you're going to do. You're free to go.

So it was sent from God and, uh, to, uh, buffet him. Okay. Okay. I got you. Uh, I had a policy. Okay.

Well, so it was kind of like, you know, God was like the structure in the flesh, but some might be saved. I'm sorry. See that again? The what?

I didn't quite understand you. Well, I can, it says, it says that the, this destruction of the flesh that the soul might be saved. Yeah. That's first Corinthians five. Uh, but it talks about that. But, uh, here in, in the old Testament are different theological perspectives. So, um, I would just say that it was for the disciplinary work of God upon him.

And as far as how far that would go, would depend on, on Saul's repentance and some other issues related to it. It's been a while since I've looked at it, but that's basically what's going on there. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

You're welcome, man. God bless. All right. Okay.

Let's get to Reggie from Maryland. Reggie, welcome. You are on the air. Hi. Hi. Hi. Um, I'm not a doctor, but I, uh, but you know, so I'm fine. So what do you got?

What's up? Oh, I have a question, John two, two. Uh, I see him telling me the propitiation for our thing and not for our solely, but also for both of the whole world, he died for everybody. So how come, um, you may reform, reform the Christian.

We can say that he's a side for only the election one. His verse says that it is the whole world. The whole world.

How do you explain this one? Okay. Does the world mean every individual who ever lived?

Is that what it means? Okay. I understand. I know the word. I know it. I know it. Well, I'm just asking, does the word world mean every individual?

That's what I'm asking this real quick question. Is that what it means? No, no. So then you can't say he bore the sins of every individual or he propitiated the sins of every individual who ever lived. Can you? So then your argument just falls away. Okay. Well, the whole world, the whole world. Yeah.

You see the whole world, not the world. Well, if he died for them, you got a problem. Okay. If you, if you say he died for them, if you mean then that he died, then let me ask you, if Jesus died for everybody, and that means everybody ever lived, then did he pay their sin debt? Did he pay for their sins? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. This word says that he died for the whole world.

So are you saying that he paid for the sins of the whole world, of every individual who ever lived? Is that what you're saying? Is that what you are saying?

Are you there? Yes. I don't understand. Can you explain to me? That's why I'm asking you of being a reformatist. You know, I'm asking you what is worse.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to work with you. If you say he paid for the sins of everybody ever lived, then the payment means the sins no longer exist. When a debt is paid, the debt is gone. That's, that's a, that's a biblical fact. That's how it is in the scriptures. The word propitiation means the turning away of anger by the offering of a gift.

This is from Baker's Encyclopedia of the Bible, Grand Rapids. The removal of wrath by the offering of a gift, the International Standard Bible. The wrath is not potentially removed when it's propitiated.

It is actually removed. When people start understanding what the words really mean, their theological perspective should change. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, not only for our sins, but the sins of the whole world, not just the Jews, but all people groups.

He's that sacrifice that removes away the wrath. It cannot be that Jesus paid the sin debt for every individual who ever lived because that would mean the sin debt is paid for and a debt that's paid for doesn't exist anymore. That would mean nobody has a sin debt anymore. It would mean all sins of all people are gone.

And if that's the case, then everybody would have to go to heaven. You see? So are you saying that everybody in the world means the past, the present and future? You're, you're hard to understand.

You have a bit of an accent from me. Could you repeat that please? The past, the present, and future? No. Everybody in the world means past, present, and future, right? Right now we are talking at the present time. So when we read a person right now, so he thinks that, you know, Jesus died for his sins, if I believe. Jesus paid for the sin that he canceled the sin debt at the cross, according to Colossians 2 13 or 2 14.

It was canceled at the cross, not when you believe. This is what the scriptures are teaching. Colossians 2 14. Most people have no clue about this because most pastors, in my opinion, are not teaching a robust and complete, soteriological doctrine of the atonement. We are not justified until we believe, but our sin debt is canceled at the cross by Christ. That's Colossians 2 14.

It says he canceled a certificate of debt consisting of decrees which is hostile to us. He took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. So the propitiatory sacrifice occurred at the cross. And that's when our sin debt was canceled.

That's what it says. So I tell people, it's not canceled when you believe. It's not canceled when you get baptized. Well, people say, well, then you're born saved. Nope, you're not born saved.

But the sin debt for the elect is canceled. And then God grants that you believe. Philippians 1 29 says to you has been granted to believe God does that. So that when you when you believe you're justified, having therefore been justified by faith, justification is a declaration of righteousness. According to Romans 4 5 and according to Philippians 3 9, we have a righteousness that's not our own, but a righteousness comes from God. This makes perfect sense when you put all the scriptures together. Most people don't do that. Most people will just stop at one verse and insert into the verse where they think it means and then judge all the scriptures by the one verse. And they don't even understand what the one verse means.

Usually this is very common within Christian circles. Hey, we're going to break you on hold or are we move along? We'll move along. Okay, buddy.

Okay. Hey, folks, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call 8 7 7 2 0 7 2 2 7 6. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 8 7 7 2 0 7 2 2 7 6.

Here's Matt Slick. Okay, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on the phone here with Nancy from Virginia. Nancy, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, thank you for taking the call. My question is what scripture do Catholics not like or do they not acknowledge? Well, you go to Exodus 21 through 17, the first three verses to talk about not making a graven image and bowing down before it.

They basically ignore that. They worship, they worship before the graven images that they they do. And they have functionally other gods before the true living God. Now, the Catholic listening will say that is absolutely not true.

But I did say functionally. So they'll say that Mary can hear all the prayers of millions of people simultaneously spoken and thought all over the world, know the intentions of their hearts, et cetera. So they're functionally raising her to the level of a God. Also, Jesus alone is the one who makes atonement for our sins. And yet, in a fundamental Catholic dogma by Ott on page 213, it says that Mary, by her entering into the spiritual, entering into the atonement of her son, made, wait, maybe it's right. Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her son, made atonement for sins.

So they elevate her to a place. So they're denying that Jesus Christ himself is the one out of 1 Peter 2 24, who made the atonement work. They deny justification by faith alone and Christ alone. So the verses that they would basically ignore or deny or drastically reinterpret would be things like Romans 3 28, Romans 4, 1 through 5, Romans 5 1, Galatians 2 16 and 2 21. They also teach that the saints are mediators and that Mary can be a mediator. But 1 Timothy 2 5 says there's one mediator between man and God to man Christ.

Jesus. And last but not least, I would say they say that forgiveness of sins must be accomplished only through the sacramental system, sacerdotalism, the sacramental system of the Roman Catholic Church. And so what they're doing is denying the sufficiency of who Christ is and what he's done, because there's a collection of scriptures that I use with the Catholics, where I give the references if you want them, where Jesus is God in flesh, has all authority in heaven and earth. He says, ask me anything in my name.

I will do it. He forgives sins. And I asked the Catholics, if you were to pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins, would he do that?

And then this is when they, you know, the wheels come off their cart. And so they deny all kinds of things like that. And that's just, those are some of them. Okay.

There's some verses, you know. Okay. Is this on your, on the website card, website? Yeah, you can go to karme.org forward slash cut, short for cut and paste. It'll take you to a short page and then listed, there's several topics. You can click on the Roman Catholic section. And then a lot of what I just said is there and you'll, you can kind of glean from them. So your exact question isn't listed. What scriptures do they ignore? But you'll see the, the stuff is there. Okay.

Okay. And, and, you know, and like in paragraph 972, the catechism of the Catholic church, it says after considering the church, its origin, its mission and its destiny, we can conclude that there's no better, there's no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. So they look to Mary even more than Jesus when it comes to the church's origin, et cetera. But Jesus is the foundation of the church. And so they don't even look to him ultimately, but look to Mary.

So in this, they're idolaters as well. Oh yeah, it gets bad. Roman Catholicism is bad news. All right. All right. Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Bernard from Virginia. Bernard, welcome.

You're on the air. Praise the Lord. Thank you, sir.

I respect your wisdom, your knowledge. I'm just going to be in there after eating some chips. So let me be quick and I'll hang up.

I'll hang up. All right. Um, I was reading and, uh, where Elijah writes a letter to the King and I believe second chronicle chapter 21.

And then, well, he had already been wrapped, excuse me, in the second Kings and I was, I was stumped right there. I wonder if you can help me out. Well, I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Yeah. Okay.

If he already been wrapped, how can he write a letter to the King? Well, he couldn't. Right. So the chronology is, is just to be understood differently. That's all.

I would just look at it and say, okay, what's the correct chronology and go through and take a look and figure it out from there. That's all. I mean, because that's probably the issue.

Yeah. Kings and Chronicles are kind of repeats. And you can understand a lot of times people think that the Jews would always write in a chronological order and not always. They would write and bring certain things out at certain times and this and that because they didn't have word processors. They didn't have the ability to go in and typewriter and white out. They had to write and as our thoughts would come, they'd show and then this happened too. And so they would write these things, because otherwise they're going to start a scroll all over again.

That was extremely difficult and very costly. So you know, there's going to be writing things, not that they were willy nilly about stuff, but for the most part, they'd get things into order. And sometimes he'd just kind of regress and say, okay, and then he, this and that, that for this thing and then keep going. And that's perfectly normal expected in a, that kind of writing style for that kind of condition. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you.

You're welcome. Well, God bless. All right. God bless you.

Okay. Hey, we have four open lines. Why don't you give me a call?

877-2072, 2, 7, 6. Let's get back on with Reggie from Maryland. Reggie, welcome. You're back on the air. Hi.

Uh, I love talking to you. Anyway, I didn't see the whole thing and now I can't understand you. Awesome. I can't understand you. There's noise in the background.

Is there something going on back there? Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, we have five open lines.

If you want to give me a call, 877-2072, 2, 7, 6, and uh, let's see, we've got about two, three minutes before the break. And what I'd like to do on Fridays, particularly on Fridays, when we have some time to have a little bit of a gap, like we just did, then I will like to read some hate mail sometime. And I have gotten some from somebody on, um, on, on club deck, uh, which is, you know, it's a thing on clubhouse and I have really thoroughly enjoyed the insults that I have received from, from some people.

And, uh, for those of you who don't know in the radio show here, sometimes what I'll do is I'll read hate mail and go through some of the stuff that people have said. And, uh, this guy, this one guy, he did not like what I was saying. Uh, and I kicked him out of the room because he was just being obstreperous. He was being, you know, he didn't have all his paws in a litter box.

Couldn't think critically, was extremely rude, condescending and insulting. And, uh, uh, people like you should be hated. You are pests and unfortunately no vaccine against you morons.

You keep the distance and mask to protect from the venomous air. I mean, this is good stuff. I'm sorry. I get a kick out of it. I do. And let's see what else does he say? Uh, let's see.

You try to say Catholics and Orthodox are wrong, but you are right about Christianity. That shows your prejudice. And you are just a frog in a well.

Now I have never been called a frog before. Well, that's a first. Uh, let's see. So enjoy your tithe and go to hell.

Eventually after waiting for the rapture. Wow. Um, let's see.

Uh, let me add you are a typical racist American SOB. Now that's a good insult. So what's texting? Yay. Hey male. So, uh, let's see this. That's how you do it.

You know, this is good. Let me add, you are a typical racist American SOB. Now that's a good, quick insult. You see, you get right to the point. You say it, it's packed full of good insults in a short period of time.

That's how you do it. You don't ramble on. Let me just tell you the other day that when you were saying something that really got me, you're wasting my time. If you get to the insult, just get to it like this guy did. Typical racist American SOB. That's a good insult.

That's how you do it. Get lost. And I block you, you moron.

Go die in your dirty life. Wow. Um, this guy, he, he's not, wow. Uh, sorry.

My job is to call out hypocrites and stupidity like you. And then I can't repeat what he says after that. Sorry. Just cannot.

Let's see. Uh, can we, he says, can we talk like two decent adults? It reminds me once it reminds me that once this guy wrote me this, he wrote me this great, just great ranting insult to me. I mean, it was really well done.

Calling me all kinds of names, insulting my character, my lineage, my intelligence, and just my, everything is insult, insult, insult. Then he writes, sincerely so and so. I just got a big kick out of it.

I was cracking up. Sincerely. Talk to you later. Okay.

So anyway, like that kind of stuff. So after all this, he says, can we talk like two decent adults? I can't even repeat it.

Your prejudice keep you with it. He says something. So it's like, Hey, can we talk like adults? You piece of. Wow. Oh man, to get a kick out of this stuff.

What is wrong with me that I love it, but I do. Hey, we'll be right back. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 is Matt slick. All right, we are back on the air. We had a problem and uh, but Keith got it fixed. It was a replay reboot, something that happened auto. And so it messed it up.

But Hey, that's life. No big deal. All right, let's move on and let's get to Rick from high point North Carolina. Rick, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Yes.

Thank you, Matt. I'm thoroughly confused of late. Genesis talks about in the beginning, God gave me yada, yada, yada.

Okay. That's my understanding of mankind. It's my understanding that mankind did not start until the end of beginning with Jesus.

But I have heard quite a few people of Lake Lane. I'm talking about the logist says there were people before that time. That's impossible.

Right? You mean it's called, yeah, it's the pre-adamites, uh, theory. And no, there's not, there's no pre-adamites. It's just people that, yeah, the pre-adamites, the pre Adam, pre Adam.

I don't even, that don't even sound like it makes sense, man. It doesn't, but they hold to it. Okay. They hold a different thing. Yeah. Oh yeah.

People hold all kinds of stuff. Oh yeah. Okay.

And it's called pre, pre-adamites. Uh huh. Yeah. Okay.

I got one more quick one. I've heard you say this a lot, but I'm just going to, they even say there's a woman named Lilith who was before, um, Eve. It's all kinds of stuff out there. Wow. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Let's just say they, they don't have all about, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Now I've heard you talk about marriage and Paul says, uh, a woman, I mean, uh, a woman in the pulpit, which I totally agree with.

Number one, totally agree with you. But, but doesn't he also, but in that statement, doesn't he say in my opinion, no, in first grade two, 12 and 13, he says, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but remain silent for Adam was first created. He ties it to the created order and it's before the fall is not to be in that place.

They're not in that place. Adam named all the animals designating his authority. He named Eve designating his authority. When the pre-incarnate Christ came to him, Adam and Eve, after they sinned the pre-incarnate Christ said to the man, where are you?

Even though Eve sinned first and gave the fruit to Adam and then he partook sin entered the world through him. Romans five 12. So he's the federal head. He's representative. He's the one in authority. Paul is equating the issue of male headship and leadership in the church with the created order.

That's what's going on there. It's not for a woman to be in that place. And the next chapter over first Peter three 15 Paul says, I'm giving instruction on how you're to behave in the household of God. This is a command of, of, of the apostle Paul, not cultural. And he says, he doesn't allow this.

And he's giving instruction to the church. I've had people tell me, well, that's just Paul's opinion. Like, wow. Yeah. Oh, your opinion is equal to Paul.

Yes. The idiocy that people produce, but, uh, that's it. And so women are not to be pastors and elders. And if you're a man out there going to a church with a woman pastor and elder, pastor and elder, you need to man up and leave, take your family with them, with you. And you say to your wife, if you're married, you say, sorry, we're going, I don't care. I don't want to go.

I don't care. We're going because the Bible says, well, that's what you do. I'm sort of ashamed to say this on price divorce, but, but the point I'm making is as I can tell you, you come to me before here in High Point and I'm serious.

It's not just in High Point. I live in North Carolina, High Point, Greenville, Winston, literally, literally, you know, I've been to over two or 300 churches. It is black, white, non denomination. It is literally impossible that I have found to go in any domination and not see a woman sitting in the pulpit.

That's no lie. I'd be out there. I'd be out there with signs going to churches, standing out there. I've done it with Mormons. I've done it with J dubs. I've done it with different places with signs, you know, repent this or that.

I'll do it. Men, if you're out there, you know, it's, it's a bad excuse. I mean, sorry not to get on you, but I mean, it's a bad excuse. Well, there's so many, so I can't help it.

And I'm just going to go to one. No. Okay.

Don't support it. I got it. Well, I'm good. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't, don't use a circumstance to justify rebellion against God's word. And the women need to get out of those pulpits and the men need to get up there to do their job.

It's not for a woman. Amen. I can take it. You absolutely right. I'm not arguing with you enough. One more thing. One more thing. That's right. It's true. And one more thing. I will say this again. I've been saying this on the radio off and off for 17 years of 17 years of radio that I will fly out to where you are out there on the East coast. You know, whoever churches we're hearing this and I will debate you on the topic.

Does the Bible support or teach, uh, the idea of women pastors and elders? I've been asking this for years and years. Not a single person has ever taken me up on it. Why is that?

I'll tell you why. What I believe is because they know I would quote scripture and they would be on the defensive because they'd have to tell us why the Bible doesn't say what it actually says. They can justify the rebellion against God's word and they don't want to be exposed. They got a feeling, they got a testimony.

I got to have a call by God, even though it's in contradiction to the scriptures. Yeah. Men get off your lazy ears and start doing what you gotta do. That's what I say. Thank you so much, man. All right. All right. Yeah, I got a lot to say about that. Okay.

Yeah. Men got to start being men. It doesn't mean being mean, but it means standing up for truth. Read the Bible. Believe the Bible. Stand on the Bible. Let people follow you. If no one follows, you follow Christ.

Don't worry about them. You do what's right before the Lord Jesus Christ. Even if it costs you, that's what you're supposed to be as a Christian man.

You do it with love and you do it with patience and kindness, but you stand on the word of God. You follow Jesus Christ and not some whim of doctrinal convenience where a bunch of women get up who are self appointed and get up in the pulpits, are preaching in contrast and contradiction to the word of God. They need to repent, need to get out of there. The women need to sit down in the church and say, we're not going up there.

You men get up and do your stinking jobs and the men need to get up and do their stinking jobs. And if they want to learn how to preach and teach, I'll come out and help them. I'll teach them what they need to know. As best I can tell them how to preach and teach and get the word of God organized and the whole bit and take care of it.

I'd be glad to come out there and help get them, get it done right. Stop with the women and pastor stuff. It's wrong. Jay from someplace. Welcome, Florida. Jay from Florida. Welcome. You're on the air. Good day, man.

Hope you're doing well. My question is, uh, what do you believe the Bible teaches in terms of, uh, ethnic or core, ethnic or corporate Israel's stance and, and times? I believe my opinion is that according to Romans chapter 11, 20, let's see, uh, 25 for I do not want you brethren to be uninformed to this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved just as it's written.

And he goes on. So what it looks like is from this text of Romans 11, 25 and 26, the hardening of Israel has occurred. So at the time of the Gentiles, we, the Gentiles are grafted in because the, the, uh, they rejected the true Messiah and broke the covenant with God.

We're grafted in when the time the Gentiles is filled, God will again move with Israel and bring them to full repentance, accepting the Messiah. And I think furthermore, I think they're going to be great evangelists for the world. Okay. That's what I think.

Thank you. I just a quick follow up question. So when you, when you, uh, what, when you interpret all Israel, uh, I'm assuming you think that in your estimation or to your understanding that that would be possibly the majority, or would that just be whoever is chosen or elect among Israel? Well, yeah, both, uh, all Israel, it'll be contemporary when this occurs to that time. And there's going to be a mass movement in Israel so that they can say, Hey, all of Israel believed it won't be, I don't believe it'd be every single individual, though it may be, but we could say all as a generic sense.

And, uh, and that's written that way a lot like that in the Bible, believe it or not. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. Hey, you're welcome so much, buddy.

Thanks for calling, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. God bless. Thank you. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Ricky from North Carolina. Ricky, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, Matt. Thanks so much for taking my question. Um, so basically I, I happened upon a conversation with a neighbor who about faith and he had asked me if I'd ever considered becoming a Jehovah witness. And, um, you know, I wanted to be polite and just respectful of her beliefs, but I told her that, you know, I, I felt that, um, that belief is not in line with mine. And, um, she wanted to talk about it more in depth.

And so I was just calling in to see if maybe you could give me some, some guidance about how to talk about the differences. Well, if you don't know much and I'm not saying that in a derogatory sense, because, you know, you just talk to the Jehovah's witnesses, you got to kind of study. And, um, so if you don't know a whole bunch of stuff, you're just not prepped.

Then what I would do is study one basic thing. Now, a lot of people would say that has to do with studying who Jesus is, but they are very well trained on, um, on how to refute scriptures. They think they're refuting, but they argue against the deity of Christ. And so what I like to do is recommended people who are just kind of getting into it is to study the issue of Jehovah's witness salvation, because what they teach, what Jehovah's witnesses teach about salvation is that you have to keep commandments. That's what they teach. So a salvation, according to the Jehovah's witness organization, and this is, uh, out of February 15th, 1983, page 12 of the watchtower Bible and track society, the watchtower magazine.

And it says, many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws. Yes. To conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible. So you don't have to memorize that, you know, it's February 15th, 1983, page 12 of the watchtower, but you can ask them, what do you have to do to have your sins forgiven? Don't say, go to heaven. That's a trigger word with them to say, to have your sins forgiven.

It's generic and it's sufficient. And they're going to basically tell you, you have to be, uh, involved with God's channel of, or his organization, which is the Jehovah's witnesses. You've got to remain a Jehovah's witness.

You have to do certain things. And whatever this list is, you want to ask them, are they doing it? Ask them, are they doing it? And they're going to say, they're trying.

That means they're not. What you need to do at this point is just memorize this address and go through it. Romans four, one through six, just Romans four, one through six. You should memorize that, that address Romans four, one through six, and just go through it with them and say, are you doing what's necessary? And if so, why does this contradict what you're saying? That's what I'd recommend.

Otherwise it takes a lot of time and training to, to kind of catch up to them. Okay. Thank you so much. And so I noticed when we were looking at the Bible together that, um, her translation was actually different than mine. Yes. Is it is that verse of Romans four, one through six going to read the same way in their translation as it would it would be very similar, but that's what you got to do.

Their so-called translation is not, it's an alteration of the text to suit their theology. And we are out of time. There's the music. Okay. Got to go. Thank you so much. All right, Ricky. God bless. Have a great weekend. All right. Hey folks.

Boy, there you go. It's a nice Friday and we're done with the show. May the Lord bless you and by his grace back on the air on Monday. I hope you have a great weekend and we'll talk to you then. We'll see you. God bless. Another program powered by the truth network.